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[G.]

ko trinat zinutes mano?

Kelia įtarimų tavo turimas stuffas? Nori kažko paklausti apie savo turimą stuffą? Tam yra tema - Keistas stuffas? Klausk nuomonės čia! dėk nuotrauką, aprašyk ir tada klausk.

[Liumbrinominatorius]

Beda ta, kas nezinau, kada cia ta derliu menka nuimti Niekad nesu augines. Beje, lietuviskasis negali buti, nes Austrijoj gyvenu

[G.]

Tai tada austriškas ruderalis čia o nuim, kai bus panašu į tai:

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[MRgreen]

Sveiki kolegos, aš čia naujas šiame forume, taigi iškart prie esmės, gal kas galėtu pagelbet Vilniuje? Atvykome su draugu į naują miestą , bet nežinome nieko, jei kas brukštelkit i AP.Dekingas ! ))

Kodas: Pasirinkti visus

G.: forume prekyba netoleruojama. blokuoju

[YraDvidesimtSimboliu]

1 Nėra čia AP
2. Brūkštels per dantis su ban-hammer moderatoriai

[python]

Aloha! Buna ant Lt augauliuku kristalai?

[YraDvidesimtSimboliu]

Taip, bet thc juose- niekinis.

[kulturingas]

Taip, bet thc juose- niekinis.

20-ini, ar Tu tikras sitos info teisingumu?

Nes tarkim kokioje indica'oje tai gali rasti ir lapuose (be ne vieno kristalo) 4% THC, kai ju ziedukuose buna ten 15-20%, ir panasiai.

Esme, kad THC ir kristaliuku kiekis niekaip tarpusavyje nesusijes. Gali tureti kristalu, kuriuose yra 0.2 THC%, o gali tureti veduokliniu lapu su 4%.

[G.]

Python, būna

Kultūringai, o kada nors gyvenime matėi, kad THC testą darytų būtent iš lapo, o ne žiedo? Nes 4% THC lape? Neišgalvoju jokio pagrįstumo... vienas forumietis buvo čia įdomiai taip pasakęs, labai man patiko tas išsireiškimas, kažkaip "aklas dūris pirštu dangų" ar pan. tai va panašu, kad dabar tu bandai kažkur į kosmoso gelmes įdurti

[YraDvidesimtSimboliu]

20-ini, ar Tu tikras sitos info teisingumu?

Tik kryptį žinodamas dūriau pirštu, o jūs įrodykit, kad jis ne apie ruderalį kalbėjo
Klausimas jau šiemet keletą kartų užduotas ir atsakytas, verta ir pačiam kiek pasidomėti Pitonui!

[kulturingas]

galima skint kai pilnai nesuzydejas augalas ar ne? ta prasme iki zydejimo galo gal pora sav like tik. jei nuskinsiu nebus ten maziau thc ar dar kasnors?

Sita tai norejau dar prikelti is savartyno

Aisku, galima. Ir aisku, kad bus maziau thc ir dar kas nors. Skinti gali ir daigus, gali net nesudaigines seklas naudoti. Gali prazydinti, o ziedus ismesti, bet is lapu issivirti kompota. Gali uzauginti su daug THC, bet panaudoti vien tik stiebus, ne itin kokybiskam pluostui. Su kanape gali daryti, ka tik tu nori su ja daryti - pats ja uzauginai.

O del THC kiekio, tai jeigu tris savaites pas tave ten pazydejes, na... Nusiskink, neismesk. Jeigu pries tai nesi rukes kokybisko produkto, tai tiketina, jog gerai isdziovinus ir kokybiskai subrandinus, turesi ziedukus, kurie galbut bus geriausias tavo gyvenime iki siol rukytas augalas. As saviskius nebrandines rukiau nuo antros savaites ir buvo panasu i tai, ka pirkdavau gatveje is ne itin patikimu veikeju.

Esme, kad augink kiek gali. Kai auginti nebegali - neismesk! Jeigu netiks tau rukymui, tai susigooglink kaip pasidaryti hashiuka, tikrai gausis kazko, kazkiek, kad ir labai nedaug. Auginimas atsipirks.

[kulturingas]

Python, būna

Kultūringai, o kada nors gyvenime matėi, kad THC testą darytų būtent iš lapo, o ne žiedo? Nes 4% THC lape? Neišgalvoju jokio pagrįstumo... vienas forumietis buvo čia įdomiai taip pasakęs, labai man patiko tas išsireiškimas, kažkaip "aklas dūris pirštu dangų" ar pan. tai va panašu, kad dabar tu bandai kažkur į kosmoso gelmes įdurti

Aha, buvo toks senais laikais rasytas dokumentas, berods per hightimes isplatintas, apie THC kiekius augalo dalyse. Ten buvo labai issamiai istirta, kad pvz jeigu moteriskas ziedas turi 8%, tai vyriskas tures apie 6% (irgi mitas, kad vyriski neturi THC), o jauni lapeliai salia ziedu tures 2-4%. Ten buvo tais laikais, kai rinkoje gavus 5% vadindavo kokybiskiausiu stuff'u pasaulyje. Daugmaz metai, kai visuomene tik pradejo suprasti jog sensimilla yra geriau uz apvaisinta moteriske.

Esme, kad proporcijos galioja ir absoliuciai daugumai siuolaikiniu veisliu. As pameginsiu rasti ta dokumenta. Idesiu link'a.

Ok. Tai buvo Ed Rosenthal and Mel Frank's book, pilna galima nusipirkti (arba ne), o istrauka atkopinu. Istraukos esme, kad kanapes augalo virsuneles (lapai ties virsunem), turejo 6.1%, 6.9% ir 4.8% THC. vidurkis gaunasi beveik 6% THC, ir cia buvo senais laikais, kai nebuvo dar sitos 15-25% THC veisles isvis padarytos:

The concentration of cannabinoids depends on the plant part, or more specifically, the concentration and development of resin glands to plant part. The female flower bracts have the highest concentration of resin glands and are usually the most potent plant parts. Seeds and roots have no resin glands. These shoe no more than traces of canninbinoids. Smoke seeds will give you a headache before you can get high. If you got high on seeds, then there were probably enough bracts adhering to the seeds to get you high. {Figure 29 The highest concentration of stalked resin glands forms a cover on the female flower bracts Resin glands beneath cystolith hairs on a leaf petiole}

Here are the potencies, in descending order, of the various plant parts:

1. Female flowering clusters. In practice you don't separate hundreds of tiny bracts to make a joint. The whole flowering mass (seeds removed), along with small accompanying leaves, forms the material.

2. Male flower clusters. These vary more in relative potency depending on the strain (see "Potency by Sex," below).

3. Growing shoots. Before the plants flower, the vegetative shoots (tips) of the main stem and branches are the most potent plant parts.

4. Leaves (a) that accompany flowers (small);

(B) along branches (medium);

© along main stem (large).

Generally, the smaller the leaf is, the more potent it can be.

5. Petioles (leaf stalks). Same order as leaves.

6. Stems. Same order as leaves. The smaller the stem (twig), the higher the possible concentration of cannabinoids. Stems over 1/16" in diameter contain only traces of cannabinoids and are not worth smoking. The small stems that bear the flowers can be quite potent.

7. Seeds and Roots. Contain only traces (less then .01 percent) and are not worth smoking or extracting.

This order is fairly consistent. The exceptions can be the small leaves that accompany male flowers, which are sometimes more potent than the flowers themselves. The growing shoots are sometimes more potent than the mature female flowers.

Samples of pollen show varying amounts of cannabinoids. Resin glands are found inside the anthers, alongside the developing pollen grains, and form two rows on opposite sides of each anther. Pollen grains are smaller than the heads of large resin glands ({see Plate 7}), and range from 21 to 69 micrometres in diameter21. A small amount of resin contaminates the pollen when glands rupture, but most of the THC in pollen samples comes from gland heads that fall with pollen when the flowers are shaken to collect it. One study, using pollen for the sample, found concentrations of up to 0.96 percent THC, more then enough to get you high79.

Potency by Position on Plant

The potency of marijuana on any plant increases toward the top of the plant, the topmost bud being the most potent. The bottommost leaves on the main stem are the least potent of the useable material. Along branches there is a less steep THC gradient increasing to the growing tip.

The ratios in Table 11 are representative of high-quality marijuana varieties. Plant no. 2 is an exception, with four percent THC in its lower leaves, a figure comparable to high-quality Colombian and Mexican buds in commercial grass.

Notice the large difference in the gradients of Plants no. 1 and 2, which are from the same variety (SP-5). Like almost all characteristics of these plants, considerable variation occurs even among sibling. Our experience is that generally the better the quality of the variety, the steeper the gradient: in other words, the bigger the difference between top and bottom leaves. For example, the plants given here are high-quality type I varieties. Plant no. 1 is more typical, with its steep gradient, than no.2, where the gradient is much less pronounced. Lower-quality varieties generally do not have as steep a gradient and the ratios would look more like that of Plant no. 2.

Table 11

Relationships of THC Content to Leaf Position68

Position on Percentage of THC by Weight of NO. Leaf from NO.
Plant Plant 1 (SP-5) 2 (SP-5) 3 (UNC-335)
Top 6.1% 6.9% 4.8%
Middle 3.0 5.5 3.1
Bottom 0.8 4.0 1.5
Ration 8:4:1 1.7:1.4:1 3:2:1
(gradient)

Potency by Sex

Although marijuana lore claimed the female to be the more potent, scientists disclaimed this. But there is some truth to both sides. In fine marijuana varieties, male and female leaves average about the same in cannabinoid concentrations. Either a male or a female individual may have the highest concentration in any particular case. The largest variation is in comparing the flowers. Male flowers may be comparable to the females, or they may not even get you high. It seems that the higher the quality of the grass, the better the male flowers will be. In fine type I plants, male flowering clusters usually approach the potency of the female. In low-quality type III varieties females are usually more potent (20 to 30 percent) than the males.

Type II plants are the most variable, with large differences among individual plants. But the trend is for the females to average about 20 percent high in potency of leaves and flowers.

Potency by Age {Table 12}

In general, the longer the life cycle of the plant, the more the concentration of cannabinoids increases, as long as the plant stays health and vigorous. Actually, it is the development of the plant, rather than chronological age, that determines this difference in potency. A plant that is more developed or more mature is generally more potent.

Because you decide when to plant and/or can control the photoperiod, you also control when the plants flowers and, hence, the overall age at maturity. A six-month-old plant will generally be better than a four-month-old plant, both of which are flowering. Plants eight months old will usually be more potent than six-month-old plants. Most indoor growers plan their gardens to be about five to eight months old at harvest. Healthy plants can be extended to about 10 months. Plants older than 10 months often develop abnormally. There is usually a decline in vigour and a loss in potency. But some growers have decorative plants several years old.

Outdoor growers more often simply allow the plants to develop according to the local growing conditions which will govern their development and flowering time. Where the growing season is short, some growers start the plants indoors and transplant when the local growing season begins. This gives the plants a longer growing season.

One reason female plants are considered more potent is because of age. Males often flower in four to five months and die, while the females may continue to a ripe old age of eight or nine months, especially when they are not pollinated.

Potency by Growth Stage

Although then general trend is for the cannabinoid concentration to increase with age, this is not a matter of the simple addition or accumulation of cannabinoids. The concentration of cannabinoids changes with the general metabolic rate of the plant, and can be related to the plant's growth pattern or life cycle. Figure 30 shows a hypothetical curve following the concentration of THC from the upper leaves and growing tips of a male and female plant.

Notice that THC increases immediately with germination and establishment of the seedling, and continues to rise until the plant enters its vegetative stage. At this point, the plant is well-formed, with a sturdy stem, and no longer looks fragile. As the plant;s rate of growth increases, there is a corresponding rise in THC that continues throughout the vegetative stage until a plateau is reached. Before the plateau is reached the arrangement of leaves on the stem (phyllotaxy) changes from opposite to alternate. The plateau is maintained until the plant's rapid growth all but stops and the plant has entered preflowering. By this time, the branches have formed the plant to its characteristic shape. Preflowering lasts about one to two weeks, during which THC concentration falls until the appearance of the first flowers.

For the male plant, preflowering ends with renewed growth. This lengthens the uppermost internodes and the first male flower buds appear. THC immediately increases with the development of the male flower clusters, and reaches its peak when most of the flowers are fully formed and a few are beginning to release pollen. After pollen release, the male normally loses vigour and THC content slowly declining until the plant is cured and stored.

Female plants reach their maximum THC when the plants are in full bloom. Full bloom is when the plant has filled out with well-formed flower clusters, but flowers are still slowly forming. Most of the stigmas will still be white and healthy.

Flowering lasts anywhere from two to 10 weeks, depending on whether the plants are pollinated or not, as well as on variety and the environment. (See Chapter 20 for details.) THC content declines as the formation of new flowers slows and the majority of the stigmas begin to brown. The only changes you may see in the plants are the maturation of the seeds and the loss of green colour in the leaves and flowers. In some cases the plant's apparent resin (its look and feel) increases during the last few weeks of life while the THC concentration is still declining.

You may feel that you should only pick marijuana when the plants are in full bloom, but this is not the case. Think of the garden as a continuous supply of grass. You can never be sure of the fate of your plants. The biggest problem with outdoor growing is that there is a good chance that the plants will be ripped off before you plan to harvest. It is much better to harvest grass during the course of a season, assuring yourself a return for your efforts. For example, during the third month of growth, you could cut back the growing tips, which should be quite potent, often more potent than Figure 30 suggests. This doesn't mean there will be less to harvest at season's end. In fact, the plant will be forced to develop its branches, possible yielding a larger plant.

Common sense tells you that it is always best to test one sample before you harvest. By taking one tip, curing and smoking, you'll know whether it's worthwhile to harvest more at that time or to wait longer. When a tip is about equal to its parents' potency, then definitely harvest more growing tips. This peak high often occurs during the middle to late rapid, vegetative-growth stage.

The reader should keep in mind that Figure 30 serves only as an example. Chronological age is not as important as the physiological age of the plant. In this graph, the life of the plants is about six months. But the life cycle depends on the particular variety and the growing conditions, which strongly influence the rate of development. (For details on how to use the graph, see Chapter 20.) The important facts that the reader should get from the graph are that the potency of the grass can decrease as well as increase during the plant's life cycle. Actual studies of the cyclic variations in potency over the course of a season have shown much more complicated rhythms, with many more peaks and valleys then here 71,74,80,86,92. Most varieties will more or less follow a growth pattern as described. Changes in the plant's development, such as phyllotaxy and growth rate, are cues to changes in THC concentration. Secondly, the growing tips of the main stem and branches can be very potent. Growers do not have to wait until flowers form to harvest top-quality smoke.

Na ir siaip papildoma info:

Erowid straipsnis:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... fo16.shtml

Cia berods naujesne info, bet gal ne tokia issami:
http://home.olemiss.edu/~suman/potancy% ... 202010.pdf

[G.]

Pirmai sakai taip:

Nes tarkim kokioje indica'oje tai gali rasti ir lapuose (be ne vieno kristalo) 4% THC

- aš pagrinde dėl to "be ne vieno kristalo" ir užsiminiau apie dūrį pirštų kažkur Aš gal truputį prastai klausimą suformulavau.. norėjau paklausti ar kada nors gyvenime matėi, kad THC testą darytų būtent iš lapo (be ne vieno kristalo), o ne žiedo? Nes, kad augalo dalyje ant kurios yra kristalų tai savaime suprantama, kad THC gali būti reikšmingi kiekiai, juk ant jų būna kristalų, iš kurių gamina hašą (iš ant trimo, ant lapų, ant kotų esančių kristalų).. bet augalo dalys (lapai), ant kurių nėra kristalų? Juk tai yra arbata

O dar poto cituoji tai:

The concentration of cannabinoids depends on the plant part, or more specifically, the concentration and development of resin glands to plant part.

Tai kažkaip prasilenkia Aš neginčiju, kad ir lapuose gali būti THC ir ten iki 4 ir dar daugiau proc. Bet lapuose be ne vieno kristalo? Aš iš pradžių galvojau, kad tu kalbi apie tokius, na.. lapus lapus ,kurie neturi kristalų, nes taip juk ir pasakėi O šiaip tai žinoma, lapuose gali būt 4 ir dar daugiau proc THC, bet tai būtinai privalo būti kristalai kaip kad pvz tokiuose lapuose:

4. Leaves (a) that accompany flowers (small) .... Generally, the smaller the leaf is, the more potent it can be.

- tai čia tie vadinami cukriniais lapais, kurie plika akim matosi apsikristalavę.
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(B) along branches (medium);

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© along main stem (large).

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Tai vat tame ir dalykas, kad jeigu lapas neturi kristalų, kurie būtų pakankamai susikoncentravę lapo viduje (resin'o gamykloje), kad nors truputėlį prasiskverbtų į lapo paviršių:

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, tai iš kur jame 4proc. THC? pėdsakai 0.*****1, taip, gali būti, nes resin'o gamykla yra augalo dalies, šiuo atveju, lapo viduje, ir kai lapo viduje pasigamina reikšmingas kiekis resin'o, kad apsaugotų nuo aplinkos veiksnių, tai jis tiesiog išlenda į lapo paviršių ir vietomis ima augti ir atrodyti kaip kokie stalagmatai su kamuoliais ant viršaus. Bet tai negalima tiesiog sakyti, kad lapuose yra THC.. THC yra resin'e, kristaluose, dervoje, trichomuose - kaip tik pavadinsi

O kas liečia pitono LT augaliukų kristalus - tai jeigu kadanors tyrinėjot lt augaliukus, tai turbūt pamatėt, kad tų kristalų ir gali atrodyti daug, žvelgiant tik iš akies, pauosčius, pačiupinėjus pirštais, gali atrodyti potencialiai, bet juose (paėmus bendrai visus kristalus) dažniausiai THC yra niekinis - kaip ir sakė Y20S. Kodėl LT kristaluose thc niekinis? Todėl, kad pažiūrėjus pro mikroskopą matosi, kad daugumos LT augaliukų kristalų galvos (burbuliukai) yra išsigimę, labai maži, skaidrūs it tuščiaviduriai arba tų galvų išvis nėra:

Foto ne mano ir ne lt augalo, bet trichomų galvas galit pažiūrėti
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Pati didžiausia THC masė yra būtent tuose burbuliukuose, o ne tame, kas tiesiog atrodo kaip kristalas (čia gal visai tiktų posakis, kad ne viskas auksas, kas auksu žiba ), todėl kai pilnai subręsta bud'as (tiksliau kristalai, nes svaigina bude esantys kristalai ir kristalų burbuliukuose esantis reikšmingas kiekis THC) tai ir sako va "prinokę, gintariniai kristalai":

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Kuo kristalai gintaringesni, tai vadinasi tuo juose yra daugiau THC. (more potent herbas, more potent ir darker hašas, more potent ir gintaresnis aliejus)

Dar dalykas apie LT augaliukus - jie gali būti potencialūs, bet juos reikia tokiais padaryti. Reikia paprasčiausiai pažaisti su genetika. LtxLt vieną diena bus tikrai šaunus strainas seed'ų markete - garantuoju Bet kolkas, tie augaliukai kurie šiaip velniai žino iš kur išdygsta tai neverta tikėti, kad iš jų bus kažkas, ką būtų galima lyginti su su jau aukštos klasės strain'ais.

ai ir dar paskutinis dalykis:

Esme, kad THC ir kristaliuku kiekis niekaip tarpusavyje nesusijes. Gali tureti kristalu, kuriuose yra 0.2 THC%, o gali tureti veduokliniu lapu su 4%.

Kur raudonai tai iš vienos dalies neteisingai, nes kuo daugiau kristaliukų, tuo didesnė tikimybė, kad tie kristaliukai savyje kažką turės. THC ir kristaliukų kiekis yra labai susijęs, nes jei nebūt kristaliukų - nebūt ir THC. Bet iš kitos dalies teisingai - kristaliukų gali ATRODYTI daug, bet jie gali būti išsigimę ar neturintys didelių THC koncentracijų (ne viskas auksas, kas auksu žiba ).

O kur melynai tai papildau: Gali tureti nanoskopinių, išsigimusių kristalu, kuriuose yra 0.2 THC%, o gali tureti veduokliniu lapu ant kurių yra gana gerai išsivysčiusių kristalų su 4%.

Tikiuosi, kad virtuvinė kalba labai nesuconfusino jūsų neturiu aš high tech laboratorijos, kurioj galėčiau atlikti visus tyrimus ir rašyti šaltakraujiškus mokslinius veikalus, bet prisiskaitęs, prisižiūrėjęs ir prisiklausęs esu tikrai esu salyginai nemažai, kad turėčiau gana stiprų bendrą supratį apie dervos liaukas (trichomus) ir juose esančius fitokanabinoidus

[YraDvidesimtSimboliu]

Labai įdomios info pakopinai kultūringas!
G, patiko tavo esė!
Reikės patikrinti su Chuanu jei dar spėsiu ar tikrai vyrai rūkomi:)

[THCholic]

Sveiki tautieciai.
Ilgai (jau keletas metu) kartas nuo karto skaitineju sita foruma ir pagaliau ryzausi prisijungt prie jusu.
Greitu laiku pasidalinsiu savo mini projektelio eiga, paruosiamieji darbai baigiasi, greit startas, ruosiausi jam gan ilgai ir nemazai dusios idejau kad maksimaliai teisingai viska daryt, tad tikiuosi draugisku komentaru ar gal but ir kazkokiu tai protingu patarimu
Dziugina kad yra tokia bendruomene. Aisku be tor neapsieisiu, nuotykiu nesinori
Na zodziu, pasisveikinau, bus daugiau naujienu - papostinsiu.

[mąstytojas]

Sveikinu prisijungus, įdomu kas per projektas, lauksiu naujienų, sėkmės
btw tor'as manau nėra labai reikalingas, nes šis saitas gan neblogai apsaugotas

[Turbin100]

Labukas, atsimenat Kaune pasakojau mačiau gražią kanapėlę augančią, kažkurią dieną tyčia nusprendžiau pravažiuot, tas grožis padvigubėjęęęęs.
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[Closer]

Na ar nebus taip kad kažkas savo sodą atpažins ? Čia netyčia gali padaryti kam nors meškos paslaugą su tokiom foto .

[Turbin100]

na jei atpažins, galima ištrint : )

[YraDvidesimtSimboliu]

Gal tikslesnį adresą? Norėčiau nueiti.. Pasižiūrėti:D